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Why Do Ivy Colleges Not Accept APs For Credit?

Why do Ivy League schools not accept APs?

Rosemary Ward Laberee

Rosemary Ward Laberee, Gig Education Expert – 21 years and still counting.Updated 10h ago

Posted on Quora 4/16/19

They have their reasons.

A few years ago Dartmouth did a study. They gave incoming students (who had taken AP psychology and got a 5 on the exam) a test to see how much they knew. At the same time they gave students who did not have AP psychology the same test. The students who had taken AP psychology and who had done quite well on the AP exam did no better on this assessment than the students who did not take AP Psychology.

They stopped accepting AP courses for college credit. Most elite universities are skeptical in this realm. They like to see their applicants have some AP course work because then they know that the student is prepared for college level work. But they prefer their students to take the basic courses at their college. Giving away Courses does them no favors and offers them no advantage. They do not need to negotiate this so usually they don’t.

Two of my own kids had taken AP micro and macro and did well on the exams. Their Ivy League college had no interest in awarding credit for this coursework, but, more importantly, according to my kids, that was a very good thing. Most of what they learned in these AP classes in high school was covered in the first six weeks of their college class. After that, the material was new. What they learned in the AP courses in high school was very inadequate when compared to what was covered in their actual college course for this subject.

Hope this helps –

Note added: This answer assumes the questioner wants to know why elite universities do not accept APs for credit, allowing the student to take fewer courses and pay less tuition. They don’t care very much about saving you money and they strongly prefer that you take the courses at their school. You might get to skip a class (without any tuition adjustment) and this may or may not be advisable.

Predictive Analytics and College:What You Need To Know

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Predictive analytics is the correlation of factors and outcomes used by colleges and universities to predict how a student will perform in a college setting.  Increasingly, colleges are using quantitative measures to predict which students will graduate and which will encounter difficulties that lead to dropping out.

In the admissions office, decisions are made on which applicants to admit to the incoming class.  The parts of the application most closely aligned with student success are the difficulty of the courses a student has taken in high school and the grades in those courses.   Typically a B in AP is considered more highly than an A in the regular level course.  Honors and AP courses cover more material, foster independent work and include high order thinking all of which are closer to college class requirements.  To increase the probability of admission, take the most difficult classes in which you can do reasonably well.

200 colleges have begun to compare outcomes of  their first year students who earn a grade of C or lower in foundation courses for various majors.  In nursing, the best predictor of graduating is an A or B in basic math.  Without the basics, students are unable to manage the algebra and statistics used in microbiology and other required courses.

For other majors the stumbling block is often the freshman composition course required of most students.  A grade of C here can predict academic troubles in the future.  Low grades in freshmen courses that require heavy reading, such as introductory history courses, also foreshadow difficulties.

What we can project from the data generated by college  predictive analytics is that the admissions criteria of rigor and grades is also generally predictive of college success. Grades in freshman fundamentals can guide students to access resources that bolster performance or can be an indicator that another major might prove to be a wise choice.

How can you crush the analytics?

  Be prepared for the challenge of college work loads.  The AP course you might have taken  covers the same material that is offered in college but it will be completed in 15 weeks, half of the time you had in high school.  You can expect to read more than 100 pages for each of your classes every week so it will benefit you to read on grade level and to be able to read quickly with comprehension.  Proficiency in math that includes algebra and geometry gives a leg up in science courses.

Build your list of colleges around your academic strengths.  If you are weak in math (as I was and am) look for colleges that have strong support systems and offer co-registration in remedial and college level courses.

Predictive analytics is used to alert advisors to struggling students who can offer assistance and support.  Don’t wait: you are expected to reach out for help even before your advisor flags you.  If you find that you aren’t on top of the material, ask for help immediately. Go to your professors for clarification-they are required to hold office hours for this purpose.   Every college has a writing center and math tutors available for free.  Use them!

Knowing the differences between high school experience and college will eliminate surprises and prepare you for success.   Lets talk about what you need to do to get ready!  Stephanie@access guidance or 610-212-6679 for an appointment.



EdX is another way to take an AP course

High school students can access online college coursework at a number of  college-fed MOOCs.  MOOC stands for Massivly Open Online Course and edX is one of the pioneers.  The courses come from such prestigious institutions as UC Berkley and MIT, Harvard although not all member colleges post material aimed toward high school students.

Some of the recently launched high school material covers the same offerings as AP in-classroom courses.

The results of Beta testing show that all students who took the online course benefitted, regardless of their previous academic preparation.

Follow the link to read the entire article and decide for yourself if a MOOC course is right for you.